Start from the 10:15 mark to hear Ned Makim's views.
Phil Brandel
Hunters and shooters could be next in line to help scientists in managing the feral pig problem in Australia, if one peak body has its way.
At this week's national feral pig conference in Cairns, stakeholders from across the country shared ideas and data in the hope of tackling Australia's feral pig issue.
One of the speakers was the acting president of the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association, Ned Makim, who claimed that his group represented more than 121,000 hunters.
During his speech he proposed the idea of using hunters to work as volunteer citizen scientists and data collectors for pig research.
"Recreational hunters are in daily contact with Australia's feral pig population," he said
"Hunters present a significant resource that is available to the community that can help us understand the feral pig problem.
"Aside from the fact that they remove thousands of feral pigs through hunting while pouring money into regional Australia, we could be using hunters to collect data and samples,"
Rather than a build it and they will come philosophy, Mr Makim is interested to hear from the scientific community or anyone interested in data collection.
"I want to offer everyone that is interested in the feral pig issue access to this group of volunteers as part of a mutually beneficial collaborative venture, by using us (APDHA) as the means of communication with the hunting cohort," he said.
"Hunters by their nature are always collecting information about pig behaviour, pig habitats and ecology, that's how they become successful hunters in their area.
"They understand when the pigs are going to breed or where they are going to be be."
Mr Makim said that hunters are already collecting data while out in the field.
"They are always collecting data that is what makes them a successful hunter," he said.
"They don't just randomly bump into animals, they have to learn the patterns.
"There is space for government agencies and land managers and indigenous groups to access that knowledge through us and we would love to help in the gathering of that knowledge."
Mr Makim said that the APDHA would then go to their members to carry out the research or data collection.
"There is a resource here that can be accessed, we are happy to make any research or data requests fit whatever may be needed," he said.
"It's a big resource that is underutilised that is separate to the killing of the pigs.
"Just think about what may be on people's laptops, or on their cameras or drones or thermal footage."
Program Leader Matthew Godson from the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (SSAA) also spoke about using hunters in a proactive way.
"We are Australia's largest shooting organisation with around 440 clubs across Australia and over 215,000 financial members," he said.
"Our members have a strong attachment to the environment, which means they have a strong desire to protect that environment.
"We are a willing partner in conservation and pest management and we can use our skills to protect Australia's unique wildlife and agricultural assets."
SSAA are currently running two volunteer programs that farmers, government agencies, conservationists and land managers can access.
The conservation and wildlife management program (CWM) is a branch of SSAA members that are trained to undertake coordinated pest management. They work under a coordinator and with a pest management plan manager.
So far CWM has worked on preservation projects in the Burdekin, Gladstone, Einasleigh and Calliope.
"CWM caters for larger landholdings that need integrated pest management strategies," Mr Godson said.
"CWM is set up to work with government agencies, in national parks and also with large conservation organisations."
Another program that SSAA runs is their Farmer Assistance Program where farmers are matched up with hunters who have the correct skills to tackle that farmer's individual problem.
"Our farmer assist program allows farmers to get in touch with individual members of SSAA to help with pest control," Mr Godson said.
"The farmer can go into our system and put up a job and then they get applications from our members through that system.
"It's a little bit like Farmer Wants a Wife, but more like Farmer Wants a Hunter."
Acting president of the APDHA Ned Makim, Inverell, NSW, program Leader SSAA, Matthew Godson, Adelai
Discussing the potential benefits of opening Queensland public land to pig hunting.
This one is the short version of a cross-cultural discussion on how age changed the way you hunt pigs with dogs. Once you press the Listen now button you might need to scroll down until you find The Makim Method. Hope you enjoy it.
Pigs, public land hunting and communicating with landholders
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Jason Selmes interviewed me in 2013 about pigs, pig dog training and people and public land hunting in NSW.
Part of my volunteer duties with the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association is to handle our media responses to various issues that might arise. These two releases mark the new way we handle media stuff. In the past we would just make ourselves available for interviews. Mostly that has been fine but an odd word or idea can be misconstrued. Not suggesting anything sinister, it's just that mistakes can be made in transcribing an interview. So now the plan is to either provide answers in writing or pre-empt media issues by just launching into an issue without waiting for an invitiation...
Sally Gall
The successful prosecution of a case of animal cruelty against a woman who was hunting pigs on a property in the Toowoomba region has highlighted both inconsistencies in regulations in Queensland, and a 'changing of the guard' in how such activity is being viewed by society.
That's the opinion of lawyer Dan Creevey, who said while it was an activity that's entrenched in the bush, pig hunters need to become more aware of what the various regulations do and don't allow.
The prosecution was brought by the RSPCA against Kim Bolger who had been on a property at Yalangur, north of Kingsthorpe, at the request of the landowner to help clear out feral pigs.
Ms Bolger, 39, filmed the action of July 9, 2018, on her phone and the footage was played to the Toowoomba Magistrates Court during her sentence hearing last week.
She pleaded guilty to one count of unlawfully allowing an animal to injure another animal, after her two dogs bit and held a feral pig, and was fined almost $5000.
According to Creevey Russell principal Dan Creevey, Ms Bolger was a member of the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association and believed she was following its guidelines during the incident.
Regulations for pig hunting vary from state to state and Ms Bolger, who had been living in the Northern Territory, had not realised that in Queensland it can be considered unnecessary for hunting dogs to hold and bite the pig.
"Although some people do the wrong thing, the use of dogs while pig hunting is humane if done correctly, and there needs to more consistency with the regulations," Mr Creevey said.
"In Victoria, dogs are only allowed to 'flush and bail' out pigs and are not allowed to bite, hold or 'hit up' on a pig," he said. "In NSW, dogs are allowed to locate, bail and hold pigs as long as the dog does not inflict unnecessary pain on the pig."
In Queensland, there are no specific regulations regarding the use of dogs while pig hunting, but general animal cruelty laws are cited.
These include that the animal must not be caused any unjustifiable, unnecessary, or unreasonable pain and that it must not be killed in a way that is inhumane.
Mr Creevey said Ms Bolger had been charged under section 37 of the Animal Care and Protection Act 2001, but Ned Makim, a representative of the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association, said the laws were confusing.
He said that under the Animal Management (Cats and Dogs) Act 2008 section 196, there were defences for dogs biting, such as being on private property, being a working dog biting stock, or being a security patrol dog.
"Who is responsible for animal welfare issues when government-sponsored shooting of pigs from choppers happens," he asked. "The argument has been that some level of pain might be necessary but the objective is to do everything quickly."
According to the RSPCA website, it is opposed to recreational hunting, or the act of stalking or pursuing an animal and then killing it for sport, due to the 'inherent and inevitable pain and suffering caused'.
"Unfortunately, hunting of pigs with dogs is a legal activity in some parts of Australia, with laws varying between states and territories," it says.
"The RSPCA accepts that in some circumstances there is a need to control introduced animals such as feral pigs, but we firmly believe that any control measures used must be justified, effective and humane.
"This is not the case with hunting pigs with dogs."
Arguing the contrary, Mr Makim said the APDHA believed the use of properly trained and managed dogs had a place in the management of feral pigs.
"One form of control only isn't going to work when pigs are trap-shy, won't take poison, or are in thick cover," he said.
"The issue is more about how that's managed.
"We think that legal hunting is a legitimate cultural and recreational activity, and we share the community's view that the welfare of all animals involved should be a major consideration."
He said they didn't agree with some of the vision that appeared, saying the case from Toowoomba hadn't helped their lifestyle.
"We suspended the member immediately and asked her for input," he said. "We are at absolute pains to communicate our code to members and we use social media as a means of crossing over into the broader community to educate them."
Mr Makim believed the APDHA in general had credence with various government agencies it worked with, such as African Swine Fever preparedness, public land hunting committees, and rural crime committees.
Feral pigs are responsible for an estimated loss of 20,000 tonnes of sugar cane each year, while in some areas they kill and eat up to 40 per cent of newborn lambs.
Mr Creevey said the reasonable measures that could be taken to minimise the risk caused by feral pigs was difficult when organisations such as the RSPCA and people who have never been out to the bush, didn't appreciate the detriment they cause.
"Lots of magistrates aren't bush people; they're in tune with what the majority who live in cities are saying.
"The vast majority haven't seen a wild pig, but sooling a dog onto a pig is a deliberate act, that's hard to defend.
"And if history has any comparative, the laws will be more regularly policed."
The Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association is the representative body for legal, ethical pig hunters Australia-wide. I'm a current vice president, former National president and a Life Member. The APDHA is the only body fighting for your access to legal pig hunting and it needs your support. Have a look at the APDHA's Instagram page and get involved in your own future...
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/6463021/pig-dogging-ban-call-is-baffling-say-hunters/
Craig Thomson
The Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association (APDHA) has congratulated deputy mayor Stephen Lawrence for his support of pig dogging.
APDHA National Vice President Ned Makim said a ban on pig dogging would directly threaten a national African Swine Fever early warning strategy designed to link hunters, domestic pork producers and government agencies from coast to coast,
Cr Lawrence recently slammed shadow treasurer Walt Secord's call for a ban on pig dogging.
Mr Makim said Mr Secord's call was, at best, an ill-considered headline grab which had the potential to do real harm to Australia's Biosecurity.
"Mr Lawrence's response displays a greater understanding of the pressure under which our primary producers are operating and the contribution legal, ethical hunters can make to the community," he said.
"Pig hunters, through APDHA, have been instrumental in bringing together a national awareness campaign on the threat posed by African Swine Fever which has already reached East Timor.
"The APDHA is also partnering with the Northern Territory's Department of Primary Industry and Resources and Australian Pork Ltd to develop a wild pig population sampling program to flag any incursion of AFS through the northern wetlands."
Mr Makim said the APDHA represent thousands of legal, ethical hunters who fully support a proactive stance on African Swine Fever.
"Indeed our quick movement to organise representatives to undergo wildlife disease investigation training under the direction of the NT's DPI and R Biosecurity and Animal Welfare Group has demonstrated the commitment of pig hunters to support their communities against this genuine disease threat," he said.
"Why, at this crucial time, would anyone be seeking to eliminate a key group in the nation's Biosecurity strategy?"
Mr Makim said the timing of Mr Secord's attack on legal hunters indicated he either did not know anything about the African Swine Fever threat or did not care.
"Either way, it's a bizarre position for an MP to take."
Mr Makim said the APDHA was also in the process of calling a meeting of all hunting organisations to expand the field surveillance potential of the hunting community further.
He said the Association was already deeply engaged in the Queensland government and industry response to the ASF threat and had received the backing of Federal Agriculture Minister Senator Bridget McKenzie for the organisation's National awareness campaign.
He said pig dogging was a significant contributor to the economy through its roles in the management of a serious pest species and the financial outlay by professional and part-time hunters on equipment, fuel and vehicles.
"It's also an essential tool in the range of methods available to control feral pig numbers. As soon as you seek to eliminate one of the options for pig management at the disposal of private and public landholders and managers, you weaken the entire strategy," Mr Makim said.
"We understand some sectors of the community can find pig dogging challenging. That's why we continue to work with governments and industry groups Australia-wide to make sure what we are doing meets all legal requirements, particularly concerning animal welfare.
"I just can't understand Mr Secord's motivation to launch such an emotive and bigoted attack on legal hunters, especially at a time they were working to defend not only our natural environment but the domestic pork industry as well."
Daniel Bateman
AUSTRALIA’S official pig dogging body has hit back at claims the sport is cruel to all animals involved.
Sydney-based animal welfare group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) this week launched a campaign, calling on the Queensland Government to ban the “blood sport”, suggesting pigs are mauled to death by dogs and dogs can be severely injured by cornered boars.
Ned Makim, of the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association (APDHA), accused PETA of a “song and dance act” to inflame Queenslanders.
“They’re making unsubstantiated allegations about the vast majority of pig hunters who are operating in an ethical and legal manner,” he said.
The Inverell, NSW-based feral pig hunter and dog trainer said the suggestion that farmers switched to trapping pigs, rather than hunting the invasive animals with dogs.
“Pigs in groups are run by the matriarchal sow,” he said.
“If she’s had a bad experience with a trap previously, she can teach the other pigs in her mob not to go up to the trap.
“They’ll go up to them, take all the bait that’s outside, but they just won’t go on.”
He said poisoning pigs did not work, either.
“I’ve personally seen the matriarchal sow whack little piglets away from poison baits,” he said. “That’s why poison baits don’t work.
“Everything works to a degree: shooting from choppers, trapping them, baiting, hunting dogs but no one thing is the solution.
“You need to have every single option at your disposal, if you’re going to manage pigs.”
Mr Makim said, generally, pig dogging was a well controlled activity nationwide.
“We’ve got thousands of members and we have a code of conduct that people sign up to,” he said. “We work educating, not only pig hunters, but all hunters about issues to do with animal welfare.
“There’s a community expectation about how pig hunters will conduct themselves.”
Leichhardt MP Warren Entsch, who owns a cattle property on the Tablelands, said pig dogging was just one weapon in the arsenal.
“Pigs do such an extraordinary amount of damage in our region,” he said.
“The breed like rabbits, and if they are not controlled, we would lose the battle on this.
“That’s not to say you should be torturing them, but at the end of the day, pig dogging is part of controlling them.”
A News Corp poll conducted yesterday showed an overwhelming majority of readers (80 per cent) were supportive of dogs being used to hunt pigs.
Andrew Messenger
Claims that dozens of hunting dogs were being abused in Glen Innes was simply not true, say both hunters and the state RSPCA branch.
Ned Makim of the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association (APDHA) has responded strongly to comments from a local RSPCA volunteer that dogs were being mistreated in town.
Mr Makim said the comments displayed a "breathtaking bigotry".
"And worse, the RSPCA, has sought to link the tragic death of an Inverell toddler to hunting in a cynical attempt to win political points. It's unbelievable," Mr Makim said.
Local RSPCA volunteer and dog coordinator Brigitte Burridge argued earlier this month that dog owners should either treat their dogs properly or keep them out of town.
"Either don't have them in town or, really, treat them with some respect. Treat them like you treat another dog," she said.
But after her comments were reported, the state branch of the RSPCA contacted the Examiner to say it did not approve her comments.
Ms Burridge had estimated there were a few dozen dogs being locked up for extended periods, not being fed or watered, and that these dogs potentially posed a risk to life and limb.
But Mr Makim disagreed and said the number of dogs being abused in Glen Innes was about zero, and that even the few underfed animals were not a serious public safety risk.
"A group's political views are its own business, even if those views contradict the group's legislative power requiring it to enforce the law without fear or favour.
"But for the RSPCA to abuse its trusted position to attack a legitimate section of society going about their lawful business is reprehensible."
Mr Makim said there was not one shred of proof presented to back up any of the RSPCA's claims that hunting dogs were involved in any of the incidents she alleged.
"Far from it. People see things through their own bigotry and the fur baby cult has a lot to answer for," Mr Makim said. "The bigotry on display is breathtaking."
Mr Makim said the APDHA supported the pursuit on animal cruelty cases and said any neglect or mistreatment should be pursued for the sake of the animal.
He said the legal pig hunting community was outraged by the attack and wanted an apology.
Meanwhile, RSPCA NSW said it did not endorse the idea that there are 'dangerous' breeds of dogs that should be removed from the local community.
"The RSPCA does not consider any dog of any size, breed or mix of breeds to be more dangerous and thus dogs should not be declared dangerous on the basis of breed or appearance. Each individual dog should be assessed based on their behaviour," a statement from the organisation said.
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/3066982/pigdogs-not-a-breed-but-job-description/
Ross Tyson
THEY’RE big, they’re powerful and they’re frequently fingered as the culprits whenever unidentified dogs launch attacks on animals.
But pigdogs pose less of a risk than many poorly trained and restrained household pets, according to a man with 38 years’ experience in the hunting industry.
Inverell-based feral pig-hunter and dog trainer Ned Makim says the assumption that pigdogs are bloodthirsty killers is unwarranted and born out of ignorance.
Mr Makim, who is the Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association vice-president, said too often any “big-headed” canine was conveniently slapped with the pigdog label.
The staunch defence comes after police identified three free-roaming “pigdogs” as responsible for mauling a lamb and small terrier in Inverell last Saturday.
Mr Makim said it was worth remembering that pigdogs are “not a breed, but a job description”.
He said working pigdogs were trained to be obedient, livestock-friendly and capable of socialising easily with other dogs, animals and people.
“Any attack by unrestrained dogs is a worrying thing,” he said.
“Wandering dogs are generally a big issue. People have to lock up their dogs.
“These may or may not have been pigdogs. If these were shown to be working pigdogs, then that’s a major concern for us.”
Mr Makim, whose pest-control job includes trapping dogs harassing stock, said people would be surprised at the breeds most commonly responsible.
“The ones that are attacking stock that I have to control are predominantly terrier-types, Labradors and sheepdogs,” he said.
“That’s what I find in the bush, unrestrained and a lot of them, of course, wearing collars.”
Mr Makim said pigdog-hunting was an important weapon in the fight against the destruction feral pigs wreaked on the region’s crops and livestock.
“The reason our association exists is to recognise and promote the best in dog-handling techniques,” he said.
“We would ask anyone who is hunting with working pigdogs to set an example on how dogs can be well-socialised and well-managed.”
Inverell police said the three dogs that carried out last weekend’s attacks had yet to be located.
The Australian Pig Doggers and Hunters Association is the representative body for legal, ethical pig hunters Australia-wide. I'm a current vice president, former National president and a Life Member. The APDHA is the only body fighting for your access to legal pig hunting and it needs your support.
Have a look at the APDHA's Facebook page and get involved in your own future...